I recently received a podcast via text with the suggestion I should listen to and consider its contents. It consisted of an interview between a prominent atheist podcaster and a former Christian minister and missionary turned atheist concerning the content of his new book. It demonstrates the vast difference between how Christians read the Bible and how non-believers read the Bible. (The term "non-believer" in this post will be defined as anyone outside the border of Orthdox Christianity) The podcast was just over an hour long and carried various streams of thought. The one I have chosen to focus on here is found in the account recorded in Numbers chapter 16. Korah and his followers are found in rebellion against Moses and Aaron's leadership. The judgment which followed is what the podcasters took issue with.
Numbers 16:31-35 ESV
(31) And as soon as he had finished speaking all these words, the ground under them split apart.
(32) And the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up, with their households and all the people who belonged to Korah and all their goods.
(33) So they and all that belonged to them went down alive into Sheol, and the earth closed over them, and they perished from the midst of the assembly.
(34) And all Israel who were around them fled at their cry, for they said, “Lest the earth swallow us up!”
(35) And fire came out from the LORD and consumed the 250 men offering the incense.
In the reading of the Bible, the pod-casters charge God's character using words such as being a jealous, proud, petty, unjust, unforgiving control freak, a vindictive ,homophobic racist, infanticidal, capricious, malevolent bully among other very descriptive adjectives. They derive this opinion from such scriptures as the one mentioned above. An attentive reading of the above text reveals a bad day for a lot of folks. Whole families perished that day, children and all, it was a very grim scene. But was it deserved? The pod-casters say no. God is a bully and unjust in the fabricated story. Christians sometimes are embarrassed by these accounts of God's judgment and feel they have to soften Him up somehow in their presentation of Jesus to persuade the non-believer God really is not like that now.
The reality is God never intended to be softened up and the God present before Korah and the thousands that perished that day has not changed. The non-believer will very soon meet the same fate as Korah and the rest, whole families will fall under the displeasure and judgment of an Almighty and jealous God! All their charges of injustice will be as nothing, they will join Korah and those like him who are still suffering the consequences of their rebellion. It is a misconception to think those in hell would repent if given another chance. They hated God and the concept of God and religion, but that has not changed and will not change. I use the term concept of God because atheists don't believe in the reality of God, so it must be the concept of a deity they deem so harmful. As to Korah and his group, they are still spewing out their hatred of God and if they could be relieved of their torment would continue to do so. The Bible was not given to us to present a mushy easy-going god that just loves everybody and everything and wants to make everything ok. The Bible was given to us so that we might obtain a very small glimpse of this infinite Being called Yahweh.
It is given that we might know what we are in contrast to this Being and the consequences of that contrast. The non-believer accepts none of this, in their reasoning man is basically good at heart, though they accept the fact he is not perfect, in most cases, his good outweighs his bad. The good he does earns him respect and his bad, if bad enough, can be repaid through judicial means and men's courts. The concept of accountability to a supreme divine perfect Being and the consequences of that is a repulsive thought.
What are we to think concerning an infinite Being of an eternal existence possessing infinite perfection? Knowing our own corrupted thoughts, are we to imagine such a Being to allow such creatures as ourselves to exist in His creation? This is why the concept of such a God is so repulsive to many. They rather think we are deserving of some kind of existence without such accountability. The God of the Bible gives no such existence, what little existence we are afforded here whether good or bad by our experience, is pure mercy on the part of the creator. The fact Korah and his thousands in the account here in question were allotted any time at all to repent is pure Mercy. What the non-believer charges as cruel injustice were a demonstration of the enormous Mercy of God. The fact Moses and the others were afforded a means by which they could covenant and forgo such judgment was even greater Mercy. The non-believer's concept and understanding of God is too human, therefore they are unable to see the wonder in such scriptures as the one here.The difficulty is in our understanding of the relation between the infinite and the finite. Perfect justice demands perfect judgment, how can a finite being answer to the judgment of infinite justice when offended? It simply cannot, it stands forever condemned even for the slightest breach of imperfection. It is asked, why doesn't God just forgive if He is so good? Because He is also perfectly just, and if that justice goes unanswered it is no longer justice and God is no longer perfect. The justice must be answered! It is in that answer we find that the whole redemptive story of the Bible consummates in the Gospel. Judging from a human perspective, to condemn a man to death for picking up sticks on a Sabbath is cruel and unjust. (Numbers 15:32-36) It would be if it were a human law with a beginning and fashioned from finite human reason. But what if it was an eternal law fashioned from an eternal thought in an infinite God established for an eternal purpose and you as a finite man disrespected it and counted it as nothing? Even the understanding of the greatest theologian cannot plumb the depths of that scenario.
It is difficult for the non-believer to understand the biblical doctrine of Total Depravity. They look at the world and see good and bad people around them, mostly good. They see themselves mostly in the good group, the bad when bad enough and caught, are put away to pay for their bad and hopefully learn to be good. Even the Bible speaks in this mode of human understanding in its communication. However, it also speaks from the divine mode as well to reveal the reality of the human experience. We find Paul speaking in this manner in Romans when examining the human condition.
David
ReplyDeleteI read your blog, the Human Condition the Story of Grace.
As I said before there is a lot in that blog that needs to be responded to but it will take a book to do so. The following is my thoughts about the first two paragraphs of your blog.
In the first paragraph you respond to a podcast that gives a number of adjectives that they assign to God. You said that was their option when in fact it is an accurate description of the God character in the Bible, not opinion.
I'm not going back over all of their adjectives that describe the God character in the Bible because that would be a book in itself.
The God character is a jealous God because he forbids/commands his people to have no other God before them.
The God character in the Bible is a racist because he clearly favors Jews over other people and sent his chosen people to destroy those who were not Jews.
The God character in the Bible has committed infanticide by killing infants in Sodom and Gomorrah for the sins of their parents.
The God character in the Bible committed infanticide by killing all the infants in the world with his worldwide flood. Again, babies were killed for the sins of their parents.
Richard Dawkins gave a long list of accurate descriptive adjectives describing the Christian God in his book "The God Delusion." He was correct and it is not opinion to describe what one is called based on his actions.
You also stated in your first paragraph whole families perished that day, children and all, it was a very grim scene. You then ask, But was it deserved? Are you kidding me? Are you saying children deserved to die for the sins of their parents?
No doubt you are better than your God and don’t believe children should die because of the sins of their parents. Most Christians don’t believe that but they give a pass to their God when he murders innocent children because of the sins of their parents. That is an unabashed emotionless way of thinking because of fear going to hell if one does not accept the monstrous actions of a horrible God.
In your second paragraph you proclaim non-believers will soon meet their fate when they displease the Almighty and jealous God. You admit the Christian God is a jealous God.
You also claim non-believers will meet their fate but you ignore the fact that many in the world are not non-believers but simply believe in a different mythical God or deity. So, because an individual was born in the wrong nation and was raised to believe in their non-Christian cultural religion they will go to hell.
ReplyDeleteSo a loving compassionate God shows no mercy for the cultural indoctrination of the young into a non-Christian religion. I think that is a huge problem.
You state it is a misconception to think those in hell would repent if given another chance. How do you know that? You don't.
You say they hated God and the concept of God and religion, but that has not changed and will not change. Again, how do you know that? You don't.
Atheists don't hate God because there is not a God to hate. They believe the evidence is not there that proves the Christian God or any God is real. It is not hate, just non-belief.
Others, according to the Bible, will be in hell not because of hate for the Christian God, but because they loved a different God (there's that jealousy thing again).
You say atheists don't believe in the reality of God (please prove God is real because that has yet to be done), so it must be the concept of a deity they deem so harmful.
You finally said something kinda right because atheists do believe it is harmful to believe in a deity when believers do things that is harmful to others like killing those who don't believe in their deity, i.e. the Christian Crusades. It isn’t the concept of deity that is harmful, it is the belief in a nonexistent God that can prove to be harmful to others.
How about when some Christians deny their child life saving medical care because they believe their God will heal their child and then that child dies? That is a harmful belief in a nonexistent God.
You say the Bible was not given to us to present a mushy easygoing (who said the Christian God was mushy and easygoing?) God that loves everybody and everything and wants to make everything okay.
I'm confused. I thought God, because he so loved the world, sent his only Son to die for our sins so that everyone could be saved and go to heaven so we could worship him forever.
You say the Bible was given to us so that we might obtain a very small glimpse of this infinite Being called Yahweh. The Catholic Church put together the Bible in hopes of controlling the masses and not so we could know Yahweh.
The Bible is claimed to be the word of God. It's not. It was written by men who didn't even know the earth revolved around the sun.
You would think if Gods word was so important God himself would have given us a Bible. If an almighty, all powerful God could gives us the 10 Commandments in stone, surely he could have given us a Bible.
The Bible, at best, was inspired by God but that doesn't mean it would say what a God wanted to be said.
I can't believe I just pecked all of that out with one finger on this texting keyboard. I'm going to bed and rest my brain. That was too much like work but I enjoyed it.